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Below is a list of the most valid accounts of lions killing male tigers in fair fights.  This is not the full list of tigers killed by lions through history, that list can be viewed here. Where aprox. 60 something male tigers have been killed by lions through history. http://wildanimalwarfare.yuku.com/topic/6/Lion-kills-male-tigers#.WK-okfkrLIU 






Every account shown is in chronological order, with the original source accessible links and full background info posted.  In many tiger kills lion accounts, as seen on wiki and other tiger fan sites, the full background to each account is not mentioned, in other words, if a tiger kills a young lion, a sick lion, or a lioness, they leave that out, and just say a tiger killed a lion.  These falsehoods in the tiger kills lions list can be seen exposed here in this link. http://wildanimalwarfare.yuku.com/topic/10/Tiger-kills-male-lions#.WK-09PkrLIU

In the accounts below, every possibility is taken into consideration to ensure every account is a fair fight, as well as a credible account, in other words its legit, not made up.  This means, the fight must be one on one, it must be an adult male tiger, and it must appear healthy enough and game enough to fight. By reading the full descriptions of the accounts, one can determine whether these scenarios meet the standards of a fair battle. 

Information to note.

Its also important to note, many skeptics or tiger fans, just don't believe that a lone lion can even hold its own vs a male tiger.  So when we show accounts of lions beating or killing male tigers in one on one fights.  They'll generally come up with a whole host of excuses.  Like for instance, the tiger wasn't wild, if it was wild it would of won.  Captive circus cats don't count.  Yet what they forget is the lions fighting the captive tigers aren't wild either.  So then they'll say, but lions keep a more aggressive demeanor in captivity.  Yet again they don't understand, there are many accounts of aggressive problem tigers in captivity, and we have accounts below of the lion beating those particular tigers that actually started the fights.  Its also well known by zoologist that a wild lion is more fight prone, and more aggressive to fight than a wild tiger.  Wild tigers can actually be even more shy than some enraged zoo tigers that feel out of place in their captive surroundings.  

Many trainers including Beatty, had admitted that the tiger can actually be more treacherous and ferocious, high strung, or easily excitable. These circus cats used by these trainers and kept in zoos did not have long blood lines that were thinned out and made to be docile.  There blood was still fresh from the wild often and untamed.  But even if only pure wild tigers were used, you'd still have to then match wild lions fresh out of Africa vs them, in which the wild lion would still have the advantage being even more aggressive to fight and having been in more fights.  Many male lions can almost be psychotic with aggression to fight, bordering on suicidal behavior, to fight against overwhelming odds. 

The other excuse tiger fans will say is, yeah but the fight wasn't one on one, lions are only good gang fighters, yet again we have many proven accounts below that show the fights are one on one, and also even a few where the lion is fighting several tigers at once.

Many accounts also come from circus trainers stating the lion won.  So often tiger fans will say, yeah but again those are circus cats, if they were wild they'd win.  But its proven that Clyde Beatty actually used many wild tigers in his acts, and we have an actual wild tiger that was killed in a one on one in the Bigcage movie, as well we have several other India accounts of wild lions killing and beating wild tigers. Its also well known, that circus bigcats are actually often pretty healthy compared to cats kept in zoos during the late 1800s and early 1900s. 

Another excuse, is, well these accounts come from lion fans.  Again that is wrong.  No account comes from an actual lion fan.  Every account is from its original source, and the link that shows that source is accessible, so that the viewer can click the link, and see the real source for him or herself.






Here is a brief summary overview of the most credible fair lion kills tiger accounts, in chronological order.

This again is not the full list, that list can be viewed here in this link.  http://wildanimalwarfare.yuku.com/topic/6/Lion-kills-male-tigers?page=1#.WLTkZ_krLIU

And an additional list of lions defeating male tigers not unto death, and beating them in fair fights can  also be viewed here.  http://wildanimalwarfare.yuku.com/topic/8/Lion-defeats-male-tigers#.WLXfR_krLIU



{2008} Zoologist witnesses 3 male tigers killed on two occasions, working in the field, two were Siberians.


{2004} Male lion kills male tiger  in Tinjomoyo zoo, Semarang Indonesia.


1965 Old lion Tuffy 12 years old would of killed 6 year old Siberian tiger Nicholas in his prime. The lion was shot as it had a death grip on the tigers neck. 

1949 A lion named Nero kills a named Tim at Australian zoo.

1937 Beatty is asked about one on one fights, hes stated seeing many, and usually one of the cats is dead before he can break it up. The cats at this point were all tiger deaths, 25 in total. Which would estimate to be about 16 males.

1936 Beatty's lion Boss Tweed kills 3 Bengals at once trapped inside a narrow circus chute, the passage way to the ring. Clyde generally refers to females saying tigress's, and males just as tigers. It is likely these were 3 male tigers.


1935 Lion kills tiger over night at Bostock's arena, and eats its entire body except skull.


1934 Lion kills mature Bengal at circus animal barn in Peru Indiana, most likely Beatty's winter quarters.

1933 3 male tigers are killed during the filming of Clyde Beatty's the Big Cage movie, one fight was a wild tiger killed, a complete fair fight.

1930 In Italy Turin, with one strike lion nearly rips off attacking male Bengal tigers hind leg, the tiger later died held to the ground exhausted by the lion. 

1928 MGM trainer Frank Philips the youngest mixed lion tiger trainer ever, sees a lion kill 3 tigers at once in an act.


1924 Sick lion named King Edward kills aggressive Dan the Bengal tiger fighting over a live chicken.

1923 Lioness nearly kills male Bengal tiger. Most likely the keepers saved the tiger. 

1923  The scientist Arago mentions a lion that killed a tiger. 


1911 Frank Bostock tells account of lion named Rover who killed male tiger named Mentor. 

1908 Trainer George Conklin witnesses lion kill large male tiger in a holding cage. 

1903  Lion kills huge tiger in Florence traveling menagerie

1899 Indian Rajah stages fight, British soldiers see lion kill buffalo, and then kill a large male tiger. 


1896 Lioness kills male tiger, in traveling British menagerie, and emerges without a scratch. 


 1855 Hunter witnesses wild Asiatic lion kill Bengal tiger in India Surat. 

1851 Asiatic lion kills large male Bengal tiger along Ganges river India, reported in German paper. 

1808 Lion kills tiger, horse and donkey in staged arena fight in Verona Rome. 

1790 Lion kills tiger and bear in staged arena animal fight in Vienna Austria.

325 b.c. Ancient Indian writings reveal lion killed the tiger in mountain slopes. 












{2008}

Zoologist witnesses 3 male tigers killed on two occasions, working in the field. 





Zoologist witnesses
 lion kill two male Siberian tigers at once, the fight taking place in a circular cage in Mexico city, one of the tigers was an adolescent.  On another occasion the zoologist witnessed a lion maul a tiger of similar size as they were transporting the animals between neighboring cages. 



"-My teammates and I were transporting a male African Lion into a cage neighboring a Bengal Tigers cage in Kenya. There was a small opening in between the two cages for intermingling of neighboring animals. It was supposed to be closed at the time but someone forgot to close it. The lion sprang from the transportation container through the opening and mauled the tiger of similar size. We tranquilized the lion but it was too late. Two days later, the tiger died due to fatal wounds. It was a very one sided fight where the lion spent much time chasing the tiger."





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{2004}

Male lion kills male tiger in Tinjomoyo zoo, Semarang Indonesia.  

This fight was one on one, both male cats tried to kill each other, the lion won.  When asked, the witness has given the time, the year, and the place in which the fight took place.  And it has turned out that his information about the Tinjomoyo zoo where the account happened was accurately described.


http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2000/02/29/caught-crisis-hungry-semarang-zoo-animals-need-help.html

Jeremy Tan was an eyewitness attending this zoo, when one of the keepers told him of the incident. 

"I remember when I was 7 y.o, I visited on zoo and I tried to provoked a tiger which looks so ferocious and was roaring to me, but no the lion, it just look at me sharply and shaking it's tail, then I asked an old zookeeper, what's happened when they're on a cage together, and he said It has been happened, "kid, can you see why just a tiger in the cage,?? the male one has been killed by this lion who has hair 1 year ago, the door between their cage has broken and the lions started to enter the tigers cage..when feeding time, he said like 2 on 2 match, both female didn't fight so much, but the both male tried to kill each other,..this zoo keeper run and yelled to zoo officer to shot the pushers..but too late for the tiger one.." It's written the tiger from Bengal..

It's just a small zoo in my town, Semarang..I live in Indonesia, maybe you never hear it..LOL Yeah, the old keeper was 60 years old when I was there, now I'm 23 y.o, so it was told to me 16 years ago and I don't know how he is doing right now..It's name Tinjomoyo zoo, it was so awful zoo, the animals looks treaten so bad I guess..They were living on small cage and big cat families just side by side like in jail.. Never visit it again, because it's more like animal's jail.."   Quote: Jeremy Tan




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Source, the comments thread on youtube video, 


Lion defeats 2 male tigers at once, with confirming accounts, part 2

















{1965}   Old lion had to be shot, as it was about to kill a 6 year old Siberian
tiger named Nicholas in its prime. 

The fight is one on one, the Siberian tiger is a male named Nicholas, it is 6 years old in its prime younger than the 12 year old lion.  Yet the lion won, and would of killed the tiger in a death grip.  The description of the age, gender, and subspecies of the male Siberian tiger shows that it would have more than a fair advantage to beat the lion, yet it did not.

http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/jpg/2272c7476f5144b5b2ac60e0fc978964.jpg

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/104382777/















{1949}
Guinness books/Animal facts, Lion named Nero killed Tim the tiger in 
an Australian zoo, the male tiger Tim was reported to be large. 


This account is important to understand, as it says the tiger killed was a large Bengal named Tim.  So this again was a fair match up, one on one, and it was a large tiger.  Its obvious by the account description, the tiger was more vulnerable to being killed in the throat area.






Animal facts and feats: a Guinness record of the animal ... - Page 77

Gerald L. Wood - 1972 - ‎Snippet view
Guinness record of the animal kingdom Gerald L. Wood. animal than the lion, and has a superior fighting technique. ... The following month a large Bengal tiger named "Tim" was killed by a lion named "Nero" atPerth Zoological Gardens, ...






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This is perhaps one of the most credible documented accounts of a lion killing a male tiger, not only is it recorded by, Guinness and several other newspapers sources, but actual pictures are shown of the two cats. 

 The Daily News (Perth, Friday Jul, 1949, the actual picture of Nero the lion below, and as well the actual picture of Tim the tiger's skin after the killing. 

                 

Nero, the lion that killed
the tiger as seen below.  
                                                                                                        


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     The actual picture below of the remains of Tim the tiger.   
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http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/83094750?searchTerm=tiger%20pries%20and%20tiger%20dies%20lions%20den&searchLimits=






















(1937)
 
Beatty states in an interview hes also seen many one on one fights, and usually one of the cats
is dead before he can break it up. These cats would only be tigers killed, as no lions had died in his act at this time. 


In the Chicago Tribune Beatty is asked about one on one fights, he then states
he does not stage many of those as its too expensive...but then says hes had plenty of such
fights happen accidentally.  And before he can stop it, one of the cats is dead.  He goes on to say since 1927, 25 tigers were killed by lions, and no lions killed by tigers. 


So it is clear here although lions gang up, many tigers were also killed in one on one battles to lions. 

By deductive reasoning, to be as fair as possible, let's say aprox a 3rd of the 25 tigers killed 
were female, that cuts the number to about 18.  Beatty had seen many gang fights, and many
one on one fights.  So to be fair, we can split the #18 in half, to nine.  Still, in a fair fight to 
the death, the tiger was killed by the lion 9 times in ten years.  The tiger never winning in any
fights to the death vs the lion one on one.  This confirms Beatty's statement, " The lion will whip
a tiger 9 times out of 10."

http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1937/04/11/page/105/article/whos-the-king-of-beasts
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{1936}
 
Beatty's lion Boss Tweed kills 3 tigers at once inside a circus chute.


This fight is one on 3.  The tigers are Bengals, not Sumatra's. Beatty almost always states when tigress's die, and has even named them.  So its likely, when he's saying tiger here, it is indeed three male Bengal tigers that were killed.  The fight could not be broken up.  So the result was a 20 minute long battle to the death.  The lion Bosstweed never retreated, and chose to fight that long trapped inside a narrow 3 ft wide circus chute.  This account clearly shows the difference of the two species. The lion if not controlled, will fight to the death not just one tiger, but even 3 at once.


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Into the chute ran three Bengal tigers with Boss Tweed in pursuit. "For twenty minutes they battled. Boss Tweed killed the three tigers, but himself was almost torn to ribbons. He recovered but somehow he never seemed to be the same. His spirit or his fighting nerve was gone. The other morning I opened his cage door and he was dead, for seven years I trained him, the longest of any of my cats. I was greatly attached to him
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1338&dat=19360811&id=StVXAAAAIBAJ&sjid=BvUDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4154,2734591












(1935)

Lion kills tiger over night at Bostock's, and eats every particle of his body except skull. 



Bostock's was a famous and reputable well known animal act and attraction that went on for many years during the late 1800s and early 1900s.  Bostock himself has given several accounts in which he saw the lion kill the tiger, this was another one, in which it was a well known story that circulated around the keepers and trainers there.

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{1934}

lion kills mature Bengal tiger Logansport Press, November 15, 1934.

The information given was from the officials at the Hagenbeck winter quarters animal barn.  The description is said to be a full grown adult Bengal tiger killed.  Why are the circus officials saying the tiger was a mature Bengal killed.  Its obvious, because this was the hotly debated subject during that time, and the press reporting for the paper would of asked these questions, knowing that if it was a young tiger, it wouldn't count. Which further shows that the tiger was a male as well, as the circus officials would know the difference between a tigress and a male tiger.

The newspaper report then was written, saying..." The much debated question as to which would win, a full grown African lion, and mature Bengal tiger battled to death, was settled, at least locally."





Logansport Press, November 15, 1934, Page 1
Within one of these animal barns below, at the Hagenbeck winter quarters in Peru Indiana, the lion
had killed the tiger. 





A close up of one of the barns still standing today.  


One of the barns still standing at the old Circus Winter Quarters along the Mississinewa River near Peru, Indiana.:



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Peru Nov.14 "The much debated question of which would win if a full grown African lion and a mature Bengal Tiger battled to death was settled at least locally this morning when a lion killed a tiger at the Circus animal barn. The battle between the king  of the jungle and the striped  member of the cat, occurred a I short time after the animals  were unloaded from the train and taken to winter quarters. The two beasts mixed in a furious battle and before trainers could separate them the lion had killed the Tiger. The event was the first battle to death between animals at the local circus quarters officials said."

http://newspaperarchive.com/us/indiana/logansport/logansport-press/1934/11-15/









{1933}


The Bigcage fight, 6 different news sources report the tiger died after
the hose was spraying.  3 male tigers died in the making of the scene. 

Note the image on the lower right shows a lion with a death grip on a tiger. 
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The 1st fight staged was a lion named Sultan vs a wild tiger named Tommy:


This first fight in the Bigcage actually gave the advantage to the tiger.  Beatty allowed the tiger to jump the lion by surprise.

The lion did not see the tiger, it was focused on attacking Beatty instead. 

The tiger chosen, was untamed, wild, it had never been in the cage with a lion nor in Beatty's act. The untamed tiger was chosen on purpose so that a good fight would ensue for the film. 



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Most of the movie stars watching the first fight, bet on the tiger.  But, Beatty noted the tiger always commits itself hanging on first where ever it can grab hold.

The lion appears to not commit itself to the hold first, but only commits itself only if its able to bite a vital area. 

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Here is the full link and article to this account. 




















{1930} Nov, 30th Italy Turin. 


With one strike, lion nearly tares off male Bengal tigers hind leg.  

Later it is believed this same tiger died from another newspaper source below.    




The question whether or not a lion is the superior of a tiger in battle was recently settled during the course of a circus performance at Turin. 

LION BEATS TIGER IN ONE-ROUND CIRCUS FIGHT 

"The question whether or not a lion is the superior of a tiger in battle was recently settled during the course of a circus performance at Turin. The scene occurred while tamer Klose was putting Four lions and four tigers through their daily dozen in the middle ring high-spirited Bengal tiger suddenly attacked the lion and the gang having sounded tamer Klose became referee pluckily standing his ground while he attempted to separate the struggling beasts... 

Round 1 went to the tiger but the second, tan than gave his assailant blow had Signor Carnera been present would have made him look sick. With one stroke the lion had almost torn off one of the Bengal's hind legs meantime the other tigers and lions who were attentive ringsiders the bout began to show...

making the tamer-referees position all the more critical Firemen were summoned with earnest pleas to bring along the hose and finally the combatants were subdued by means of violent jets of water Circus vets took care of the wounded tiger and the crowd lustily cheered, the courageous tamer Klose told the local police that he was not going to part with the lion whose Intellirence was well any element of personal risk he him self might be taking." 

Source Boston Globe paper archives. 
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/boston/doc/758009766.html?FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:AI&type=historic&date=Nov%2030,%201930&author=&pub=Daily%20Boston%20Globe%20%281928-1960%29&edition=&startpage=&desc=LION%20BEATS%20TIGER%20IN%20ONE-ROUND%20CIRCUS%20FIGHT


Below is a 2nd account of a lion killing a tiger in Turin Italy reported the same year a month apart. 
This account is most likely the same tiger as it takes place in the same city in Rome, and has the tiger attacking the lion first
in both accounts. 




{1930} Oct. 31
 
Lion kills male tiger in Italy Turin. 

It is clear from this account, or accounts, that this tiger had game.  In other words it was aggressive, making the account again more than a fair fight.  The tiger even winning the first round.  But later it is clear the tiger was also male as said in the description,  "...the lion got him on his back..."

So this lion killed a male tiger, that was a circus tiger, meaning it would be in better health than a zoo tiger, and the description given is a very high spirited tiger, which chose to attack the lion first. 




























{1928}        


Lion kills 3 tigers, at once. 


Trainer Capt. Frank Phillips, says a lion can kill a tiger any time, and recalls an experience once
seeing one lion kill 3 tigers in an animal act.  


The trainer would not be saying a lion can kill a tiger anytime if he was referring to a lion killing tigress's.  So its likely and obvious these were 3 male tigers killed. 

An audience bystander would not always know the difference of the sexes seeing the cats from a far.  But this eyewitness account is not reported by an audience member.  It was witnessed by Frank Philips, an experienced trainer, who was born into the circus, had a famous mother trainer called Madam Jewel... and was working mixed lion tiger acts since the age of 15.  It would be virtually impossible that a trainer of this experience would not know the difference between a female or male tiger, and further wouldn't use this account as an example to the lions fighting prowess if he saw one lion kill 3 tigress's.   








Below, Trainer Frank Phillips with Leo the MGM lion,1927.             
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Source: 

October 11, 1928  https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/136178734/

Altoona Mirror, September 27., 1928

This is an exceptional feat, the 2nd time this has been performed.  Boss Tweed the lion also killed
3 tigers at once, alone, inside a circus chute in the 1936 account. 

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Trainer Frank Phillips was born into a circus family who's mother was a famous trainer named Madam Jewel or Princess Jewel. Phillip's grew up bottle feeding and playing with lions and tigers. 

Frank first got his start at the age of 15 working a mixed act of lions tigers and leopards for the Walter L. Main circus.  

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Frank Phillip's is arguably the youngest mixed lion tiger trainer on record.  This is important as a trainer must mix the cats to come to a clear objective as to who would win in a fight, instead of just speculation on appearance or size. 
 

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=950&dat=19290112&id=qPJPAAAAIBAJ&sjid=1lQDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5454,6603718&hl=en



Because of this unique experience Frank was chosen by MGM as the lead trainer for the first MGM lion leo. 



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Frank's diverse experience also included working as the lead elephant trainer for Downie Bros. circus.  



Frank Phillips and Teddy

http://www.circushistory.org/Bandwagon/bw-1963Jan.htm



Frank Philips later in his career at Jungle Land training a large tiger. 
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{1924}
Sick lion kills tiger "The Jungle behind Bars" by Courtney Ryley Cooper
King Edward the lion had not felt well, and had not eaten in days. 

http://books.google.com/books/about/...d=ZyBTHQAACAAJ 



This again another fight that is more than fair, as the lion was not feeling well, and hadn't eaten in sometime, the tiger was aggressive and even bullying the lion.  But that was till the lion got its strength back after eating.

The gender is clear as it says Dan the Bengal tiger.  The attitude, fighting skills, aggression and character of this tiger are known by the description.  It is clear, this lion, after getting its strength back, killed a healthy, aggressive tiger, that had a lot of fight in him--and was actually a bully in nature.  The account also reveals, tigers will pick on another animal if they sense weakness, Dan the Bengal obviously sensed King Edward was weakened and not in good health.


 
Trainer Lucia Zora's, Sick Lion King Edward kills Dan the bengal tiger.
King edward the lion kills Dan the bengal tiger~The American magazine 
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https://www.google.com/search?q=King+edward+the+lion+dan+the+bengal+zora+&tbm=bks&tbo=1&gws_rd=ssl

. For several days King Edward had been "off feed," and to tempt his appetite, Lucia Zora, his trainer, conceived the idea of feeding him a live chicken.
https://www.google.com/search?q=King+edward+the+lion+dan+the+bengal+zora+&tbm=bks&tbo=1&gws_rd=ssl



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The full excerpt of this story reported in the link below. 

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/78539922?searchTerm=leopard%20tiger%20fight%20cage&searchLimits=sortby=dateDesc



The author Courtney Ryley Cooper, was the press agent for Sells Floto Circus during the time that trainer Lucia Zora worked there, further validating this account. 

Later, he worked as a newspaper reporter for The Kansas City StarNew York World, the Chicago Tribune and the Denver Post. In 1914, as a result of his work at the Post, he became the press agent for the Sells-Floto Circus, which was owned by the owners of the Post

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courtney_Ryley_Cooper



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Another picture of Lucia Zora with lions and tigers, in 1914, taken by the Denver Post, the paper Courtney Ryley 
Cooper worked for.  This paper also owned the Sells Floto circus.  

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http://blogs.denverpost.com/library/files/2012/09/Sells1914Lady-495x354.jpg






{1923}

Famous French Scientist Arago witnesses a lion that killed a tiger.

There is little description given of this account.  But it is mentioned, because of the prestige and intellect of the source, being from one of the greatest scientist of his time.  Arago would obviously be able to determine the sex of an animal or the legitimacy of its source.  I

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Arago


Darwin (1) describes a struggle took place in a menagerie between a lion and a tiger, and ended with the victory of the latter 'while Arago (2) describes another where the victim was the tiger .
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Original book source before translation in Italian. 

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Arago was also the Secretary of the Academy of natural Sciences.
As mentioned in the book Lions, Tigers

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{1911}
 

Bostock tells of an account of a lion named Rover who killed a male tiger named Mentor. 

This fight was one on one, it states the tigers name is Mentor, a male tiger.  Both cats got a long for awhile, but this in no way means the fight wasn't fair or was a fluke.  As Bostock said he knew the inevitable would happen, he was shocked they got a long as well as they did, and he mentions the natural dislike lions and tigers have for each other, and that they cannot be housed together without killing each other.

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In 1911, Frank Bostock gave an account, which would soon after have been considered unguarded, of fatal fights in his menagerie between lions tigers and other wild animals some years previously. " I saw one lion seize a smaller lion by the throat with his teeth and dash its head against the bars of the runway, cracking it like an egg shell. This was child's play compared with separating a lion and tiger which generally have an instinctive hatred for each other: "The tiger lay dead in the corner of the cage with his throat half torn away"










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Here is the original source in Bostock's own words telling of the whole account.  











(1908)
 
Lion kills large tiger in holding cage, as seen by veteran trainer George Conklin.

Perhaps one of the fairest lion vs tiger accounts.  As seen by a trainer with 40 years experience, stating both cats were large fellows.  The fight was in a holding cage, which is not a large area, meaning both cats would absolutely be fighting to the death. 

After the lion won, the lion was also chewed and clawed up, this shows the tiger had game, it was not a pushover, it fought the lion hard in the tiny enclosure.  So the lion succeeded in killing a large male tiger, that had fight in him.  After the battle, the lion was said to be still full of fight.


O'Brien's circus elephant 9 oct 1877


Trainer George Conklin 40 years experience, witnesses lion kill big male tiger in
viscous fight inside a small holding cage, at the John O'brien's circus. 

"When morning arrived we found the two In the lion's cage,
 the tiger
 dead and the lion all chewed and clawed to pieces, but still full of fight.!"



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{1903}

lion kills huge tiger in Florence Italy, ~Dundee Evening Post, Angus Scotland, September 26, 1903.



This account is again, another totally fair account, the cats are circus cats, meaning they would be in better health than zoo cats.  The fight was one on one.  The tiger was not small, it was huge.  The tiger was male.  Multiple sources confirm the account happened.  The tiger was not a pushover, it had game, it showed a lot of fight, as the lion was also badly bitten after the fight. 


Sept. 26 1903

Lion fights tiger 

Terrifying scene at menagerie 

"An exciting incident has occurred at a traveling menagerie in Florence.
Whilst a tamer was engaged in his performance in the lions den, one of the animals managed to break through the door into the neighboring cage, which was a huge tiger.  A fierce fight ensued between the beast, the tiger finally succumbing to ghastly wounds in the neck.  The lion also was badly bitten.  In  the meantime the visitors had fled panic-stricken, and the terrified tamer had disappeared from the scene." 

                                     
                       
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La Domenica Del Corriere, the top selling Italian weekly paper, also reported on the account, in Oct. 11, 1903. 



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And actual illustration of the fight below inside the Italian paper, note the lion attacking the neck of the tiger, the very area to which it died from severe wounds. 


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Use the google translate option to read about the weekly paper. Source below. 

http://www.delcampe.net/page/item/id,350162884,var,La-Domenica-del-Corriere-11-Ottobre-1903-Rivolta-Tigre-e-leone-Sovrani-dItalia,language,E.html









{1902}
. Lion kills one of largest male tigers at Bostock's, Fort Wayne, 1902

Another legit fair account, as it states the lion killed one of the largest tigers at Bostocks.




NEW YORK. Nov. 2. - "Tradition that the tiger is a better animal then the lion in a fight has been disproved as Sr. Nicholas Garden, where one of the biggest striped denizens of the Bengal jungles is suffering from rips and tears inflicted upon him by one of the late king of the South Africa forests. The press agent did not give this story out. Probably he would lose his job if he had, for Bostock is careful to suppress any news tending to show that his animals ever exhibit sanguinary instincts when in the arena. The two big cats in question were brought together several days ago to become familiarized with each other for purposes of a contemplated act in the show ring. The tiger walked nervously up to the lion and began rubbing his nose over the latter's haunches. A low growl was the response. But when the tiger inserted his teeth in the lion's mane, Leo uttered a roar, unmasked his ivories and crouched. The tiger retreated a few feet and then sprang high in the air, intending to come down on the lion. But Leo deftly side-stepped and when the tiger alighted he grabbed it by the head. A twisting of the teeth and a large section of the tiger's face, including one eye, was gone. The trainers and attendants now tried to separate the beasts, which for several minutes rolled over and over each other, snarling, roaring, biting and scratching. Finally they were separated. The tiger, mutilated and bleeding, cowered in a corner, while the lion was defiant in another."


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{1899}

Indian Rajah stages fight between multiple animals in one ring. 

A staged fight in India, meaning capable cats would be pitted against each other for a good fight, even possibly wild ones.  The tiger killed was described as being a slain monster with mighty bulk.


A FIGHT OF WILD BEASTS.

Taranaki Herald, Volume XLVIII, Issue 11707, 23 December 1899, Page 4

Soldiers watch as lion kills buffalo and then kills huge male tiger, described as slain monster. This fight took place in northern India witnessed by the British troupes there.  This could be possibly anAsiatic lion killing a large Bengal tiger. 

After the lion had killed the tiger, it did not want to stop fighting and went after a bear in the same ring, but because of the wounds inflicted on it from the fight with the tiger, the lion was later killed by the bear. After this the bear later died in a fight with a horse as it was also previously wounded by the lion. 


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{1896}

Lioness kills male tiger in traveling British menagerie, and emerges without a scratch. 

The tiger would have the advantage obviously as this was a lioness, yet it still was killed.  A traveling menagerie would mean the cats would be in better health than just situated at a zoo all the time.
















(1855)
 
Real account of Asiatic Lion killing Bengal tiger in the wild of India Surat.

Completely fair fight, as both were similar size, the tiger might have been slightly larger, both animals are wild, not captive. 


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Source: The book, "Perils and Pleasures of a Hunters life."

Online accessible links of the book below. 

Click the link below, click full screen on the book page, and enter the page 223 for the full account online. 
 http://www.readanybook.com/online/18582

Click the link below, page 208. 
https://ia801302.us.archive.org/17/items/cu31924016407698/cu31924016407698.pdf


The forgottenbooks page 202,
 
https://www.forgottenbooks.com/en/readbook/PerilsandPleasuresofaHuntersLife_10044674#218






 Below is the full text to the story. 


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JUNGLES OF INDIA THRILLING SCENE 


 CHAPTER XXIII. 

      Domus. Surat. The Nature of the Jungles beyond. A Boa 

      Constrictor. A Tiger. A Lion. Terrible Conflict 

Our destination was the province called Guzerat, which is a large peninsula northwest of Bombay. We could have proceeded thither in a short time by sea, but Mr. Barrill took the circuitous land route, in order to see the country. At the end of the first day's journey we en camped at the base of a range of mountains " the height of which I supposed was fifteen hundred feet. These mountains extend entirely through western India. In the vicinity of our encampment, they were steep and stony. On aU sides were forests of bamboo, presenting a straighter and more regular aspet, than any woodland I had ever HINDOO HABITS…. 

At Domus, Mr. Barrill disposed of his tusks to a Parsee merchant, for about one-half the price he could have obtained if he had conveyed them to Surat. But he was glad to ged rid of the burden. Domus -n-as a small town. The inhabitants were courteous enough, but we understood that some of them were strongly suspected of being engaged in piracy. Our servants informed us that the Parsees were very numerous in the country northward, and their enterprise was the chief source of its prosperity. At noon the second day after our arrival at Domus, we came within sight of the celebrated city of Surat. Its towers and pagodas gave it an imposing appearance… but as we approached the walls age and decay were strikingly evident. This city is situated on the Taptee, about twenty miles from the point where the mouth, or bay, empties into the gulf of Cambay. It is about six miles in circumference, and shaped like a bow, the cord being the Taptee, having near its center, a small castle garrisoned by a few sepoys and Europeans. On ofner sides, the town is surrounded by a wall, flanked with semicircular towers. Without the walls we found some good European houses, formerly occupied by the French, but now, the residence of English officers; but the houses within the town were very inferior, consisting only of timber frames filled up with bricks, their upper stories projecting over each other. The streets were narrow and irregular. Only small boats, called ketches, can ascend the river to Surat " yet the city once had a very extensive* commerce. 

We remained three days in Surat. During this period, Mr. Barrill made some valuable acquaintance among the English, and purchased some small articles which he deemed necessary for our comfort. We found that nearly all the business of the city was carried on by the Parsees " the Hindoos being generally as indolent as they were superstitious… 

The jungle was beautiful and luxuriant " the dark green foliage of the bamboo contrasting finely with the lighter verdure of the palm and the blossoms of numerous other trees for which I had no name. The encounter of the day before had left an impression not easily effaced, and we took care to avoid, as far as we could, consistently with our designs upon the game, the thickest jungle, where it was difficult to see beyond a few yards on each side. The Hindoos were all eye as they marched, and I thought, that each moment, one of them shuddered as if he expected the terrible tiger to spring from the bushes and dash him to the ground. We had proceeded about six or seven niiles, without meeting with any animals, deemed worthy of our rifles, and were growing more confident in our march. ^Lr. Barrill and I had fallen into conversation about the contrast between the forests of India and South Africa, when a tremendous roar, and the shrieks of the Hindoos, rang fearfully in our ears, and brought our shuddering horses to a halt. The case flashed on our eyes we turned. The Parsees stood as if paralyzed " the Hindoos shrieked and danced, and seemed senseless with fright. Hurrying away through the jungle we could occasionally catch a glimpse of the striped hack of a tiger ' and a faint shriek told us what he had dared to seize foi his meal. Humanity and our own burning thirst for distinction in this region, new to us, banished all feelings uf dread, and we started away, with ready rifles in pursuit, the rest of the party following, not knowing what else to do for safety. The tiger had disappeared beneath the thick foliage of the bushes, and the cessation of the victim's shrieks left us no clue to the ferocious animal's whereabouts. 


When suddenly, within about fifty yards, sounded the tremendous voice of a lion " a sound we could never forget; and a succession of awful growls, snaps, and loud rustics among the bushes, led us to believe that the two tyrants of the forests were contending for the mastery. Anxious to gain a view of such a fearful struggle, we pressed forward^ till emerging from a clump of bushes, we beheld almost at our horse's feet, the lion and tiger rolling over and over, in a conflict which only death could interrupt. The mangled Hindoo was lying senseless upon his face, within a few yards of the ferocious combatants. We did not fire, but reserved our bullets till the conflict should destroy one of the beasts. 

It was a horrible struggle. The tiger was quite as large as the lion, and much quicker in his movements. But the lion showed a decided superiority of strength, and his great mane effectually covered his head. Still his hack and sides were torn hy the tiger's claws, and for some minutes the contest was doubtful. Both possessed equal courage and determination, and no disposition was evinced to have a drawn battle. It was one of the compensations of nature. The tyrants of the woods, who had so long preyed upon the weaker animals, were now paying each other in due form. Draw near, ye ghosts of mangled cattle, stags and lesser beasts, to gloat over your revenge! Our presence seemed a matter of indifference to the combatants, so intent were they in that struggle of strength and activity. But the endurance of the lion prevailed " seizing the tiger by the throat, he turned it on its back, and with his strong claws tore open its belly, and, thus put an end to its ferocious life.Hail, king of beasts, for so thou art I This had scarcely been achieved when simultaneous balls from our rifles, stretched the lion beside the foe whom he had vanquished, and their blood mingled among the grass…. 

We immediately dismounted, hastened to the wounded Hindoo, while his companions busied themselves in striking their spears into the helpless tiger " and patting the head of the lion. Raising the poor fellow, we found that he was so dreadfully bitten and torn about the throat and breast, that his chance of living was but small. He could not speak. After a short time spent in reeking their cowardly vengeance on the tiger, his Hindoo companions said that they had quite enough of hunting tigers on foot, and that they would take the wounded man back to Elaw as quickly as possible. Mr. Barrill agreed with them that it was the best course they could pursue, and gave them the skin of the tiger to take with them as a kind compensation for their fright. They constructed a rude litter of branches, on which they laid their wounded companion " then skinned the tigers-cutting ofi" his head " while our Parsees were skinning the lion, and then bade us adieu. The lion was not as large as those we had killed in Africa " His skin was of a yellowish hue, the mane being some shades deeper. In other respects, there seemed to be no difference between the lions of Asia and Africa. 

The tiger was a beautiful animal, the skin being striped as splendidly as that of the African zebra. The form resembled that of the common cat. The eyes were of a greenish grey color, having a ferocious glare " and the appearance of the teeth and claws was enough to send a thrill of terror through a person of timid nerves. The roar of this monster, which was the first intelligence of his presence we had received, resembled that of the lion, but was not so deep and grand. When enraged as it was during the conflict with the lion, it makes a shrill cry which pierces the ear in a most disagreeable way. 


It states non-fiction: 
http://www.readanybook.com/author/peregrine-herne-10860 

It states it’s an autobiography: 
http://www.gregorrarebooks.com/cgi-bin/gregor/19933.html?id=DHdpg6en 

Here is Herne being noted as one of the first hunters of his era: 
http://www.shakariconnection.com/early-african-hunter-books.html





Artist that traveled abroad, to India, Rome, and Morocco
 at the time to study and paint, depicted the same thing.









Charles Catton


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Charles Catton/ Had an art school in India) 
Catton was the founder of the Royal Academy in which many artist at the time traveled to
India to study the wildlife instead of Italy. 
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(Lion with a death grip on tiger~Charles Catton.) Very similar to the (1855) account mentioned
above where the tiger first attacks a native of India, and then the lion comes out to attack
and kill the tiger. 
 
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{1851}

Asiatic lion kills Bengal tiger along Ganges river.

A wild one on one fight, a completely fair fight, as the tiger was described as huge, the lion was Asiatic, meaning it would be smaller giving the tiger the advantage.

Map of the combined drainage basins of the Ganges (orange), Brahmaputra (violet), and Meghna (green)



In the “Landshuter Zeitung” an Asiatic lion kills huge Bengal tiger, witnessed by local native’s of India an German Zoologist’s.
~(German new’s article)
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Important to note, crocodiles are attracted to commotion along the shores of rivers, and often will capitalize on an injured animal. 


This can be seen in the video below. 







Interestingly as well, a French artist has depicted a similar scene in India 1840, with a lion defeating a tiger
and a crocodile reaching from behind biting the lion, very similar to the above written account, further confirming its viability.  Both the account and the illustration are at similar times, 1840 to 1850, the crocodile attacking shows the fights had to take place near the rivers in India. 



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{1808}
  
Lion kills tiger in staged gladiatorial style fight in Verona Rome theater.  
The same lion, then went on to kill a horse and donkey in the same fight.

Another completely fair fight.  Being a staged fight both animals would be game to fight and possibly even wild or untamed.  The description shows the character of the tiger is like many described by Beatty.  At first it showed systems of fear, and wished to decline from the fight.  But when it made its mind up to fight, it fought with great fury, even foiling the lion for a time.  So this was a capable male tiger that was killed.






The article was published in 1834 in Gentleman's Magazine, but the account was recorded from a diary in Jul. 4th, 1808.



(The Gentleman's Magazine)




"Mr. Bolton said that a friend of his saw, in the circus at Verona, a battle between a lion, and a tiger, a horse, and an ass. The tiger at first showed symptoms of fear, and wished to decline the battle with the lion. He fought however at last with great fury but, though he foiled the lion for a time by his alertness, soon yielded on a close contact to the other's matchless strength. The horse was dreadfully terrified from the first, and became an easy conquest. The ass, the last attacked, was all the time quite unconcerned, browzing on the ground, and when at length assailed, bit and kicked with great fury, but in the end fell. The lion chiefly used his paw, with which he struck tremendous blows."




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{1790}

Lion kills tiger and bear in Vienna in the same fight.

The account is validated by a famous artist's diary.  The description shows the tiger had a lot of fight in it, and for a time, it was almost too much for the lion to handle.  This again shows, this was more than a fair fight, the tiger killed was not a pushover or weak at fighting.


Sir Thomas Lawrence PRA FRS (13 April 1769 – 7 January 1830) was a leading English portrait painter and president of the Royal Academy.

Lawrence was a child prodigy. One of Lawrence's works below. 

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Sir Thomas paints William Lock below.  In Sir Thomas's letters, he mentions Lock 
traveled through Europe with his tutor; while doing so, in Vienna, Lock witnessed a staged fight between a lion, tiger, and bear.  The lion killed both the tiger and bear, 
but later died because of fatigue vs a horse. 


                            William Lock
                          
Sir Thomas Lawrence : Portrait of William Lock


Sir Thomas Lawrence's Letter-bag

 By Sir Thomas Lawrence, Elizabeth Croft  Pages, 280,281




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Lion kills bear and tiger in one fight, source and links below.










325 B.C.-300 A.D.

Indian historians reveal ancient writings that show lions haunted the mountain slopes of India, other animals dreaded them, and that the lions killed the tiger.

These would be wild lions and tigers, the source is actual Indian historians and authors.





~A Comprehensive History of India: The Mauryas & Satavahanas, 325 B.C.-300 A.D Orient Longmans, 1957 

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"References to the lion in the Padirruppattu, one to the dread of other animals in mountain slopes haunted by lions, and the other to the lion killing the tiger. 

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