Hey counter strike...good put together in the information. Havnt posted on allempires since retard baited me into getting suspended, as that was his plan all along, to get any info of lions beating tigers erased or blocked. lol As if thats ever gona happen...the data has been growing, seen some russian guys with it:
So have these guys, along with their own little sources:
Two of beattys lions use to beat up all his tigers regularly:
The animals hate each other much more deeply than they hate Beatty, whom they regard merely as an annoyance. The hate changes from day to day, but all tigers hate and fear all lions all the time. That never changes. That is why it was so why it was so hard to teach two tigresses, Rosie and Venice, to do a roll-over: they have to take their eyes off the lions while they're doing it. It's not rolling over that they mind, it's rolling over in the presence of lions. Lions also hate each other, this being conditioned by which lion is sweet on which lioness at the moment. Tiba, biggest tiger hates Betty, a lioness. Would do her in for two cents. So it goes... They must enter the arena always in the same order. First Sascha, big lion, enters and climbs to top pedestal. He is just a plant (If allowed to come down, he would join his brother, Beauty, and together they would gang the nearest tiger, this being a regular trick of these two... i Six or seven animals besides... Sascha do nothing but sit or. their pedestals, being either too dumb or too dangerous to fool with.
So sascha and beauty use to always beat up his tigers.
Whats, funny is...you have around 10 or so accounts of pckts on your videos:
Its obvious with all over exaggerated retarded post on there...ya should erase all his post that way it looks more clean and civilised, of course hes still gona come back, but with all his post gone, you can further see that alot of people are impressed with your vids...either they'll hate it, be retard or they seem to be blown away with it...as soon as it gets traction, most likely it will be good. Posted some bear stuff here:
lol, and I never thought a grizzly fan would ever accept the lion is superior, as some russian guys linked in the l vs b thread:
That just goes to show that if theres enough...facts...(not speculation), but facts...that one could make a accurate opinion.
When I shared data with professor chavda, rangarajan, kishore, bushan and a few other indian authorities, they were all blown away with the wild accounts, and most of them even were inducted in belief that tigers were twice as big as lions, some of the basic stuff like asads weights showed that they averaged far less, and lions far more, and it seems they took a whole different view on the subject, I'm pretty sure if chavda writes another book, he will include the wild accounts and start a stable approach in searching for more historical encounters. If they accepted it, then no dought its genuine. Contacted a site that knows alot about sayajirao, and asked them what the raj was doing on 1899 november, if they come back with him doing anything else, then the baroda account is 100% fake. They have records of these guys, since they were royalty, every day was documented, so we'll see if they get back with it...and the gunga account too, as shown, charles jamrach bought that tiger, because it killed a lion in london, every tiger fan wanted to hype up the story being one of the only storys of their era, hence haughton covered it ( and look at his agenda, he went from 4 people held a tiger down to 9 lol)and the person who re-wrote the gunga/jungla story did too, these are in same effect as the boone lion parnell and ramadan bear fight, none of the originals showed the bear killed the lion, only decades to centurys later its all twisted, the same with gunga, the only originals mentions edmonds menageries incident, hence a no go. The same could be done with the king of oude, they should have records of him, and a historian on him would no dought shut the book on his so called animal baitings. Which are pretty much all the tiger fans on wildfact/wiki have.
Would be cool to see peter back to the debate, hes all the tiger fan side ever had in terms of gathering info, we all know he wants to opine on subject, or why else did as he said, interview hundreds of people on the subject, more specifically who is tougher, who had more grit and have won in conflicts. But as all, he needs to come to senses and lean towards the truth...speaking of which, it seems that other pic, wasnt falkendorf, it was dutch ricardo, he opinioned, that a tiger would out box a lion, again, this only deprives out of that hes only worked with nearly maneless young lions:
I guess the site got it wrong but thats probably because ricardo and falkendorf look alike:
So theres not all that much for the tiger side who actually worked them both simultaneously, both wild bred, full grown, and seen many fights. Theres only one man who has done that thoroughly, and thats clyde beatty, whos also known as a scientist lol:
Clyde Beatty is not only an entertainer, he is also a scientist, a competent zoologist,
an explorer and an adventurer. Braving African, Indian and Malayan jungles; braving
fever, disease and even death, the animal trainer, — along with scientist and explorers en-
gaged in research, — helps to broaden science frontiers in the 'dark lands". When not
employed with the cracking whip and the protective chair, he ventures forth to faraway
lands, searching for young beasts to supply the wire "prison", and searching for other
animals to be sent to zoos and museums.
Break down the word science, what did a lab coat scientist do that beatty never did? Beatty has worked with 2,000 lions and tigers, has any scientist ever done that? No, beatty has handled, touched, fought with, and knows their ability's first hand, has any scientist done that? no, they use models, which has no basis of any type of accuracy. Beatty is the ultimate scientist of lions and tigers fighting capability's. The fact that he once thought like all tiger fans, that tigers have better agility, fights with two paws ect, was proven to him the longer he was working with them. He isnt alone, the keepers in everland said that whole hordes of tigers were killed by lions there:
thirteen went the crowd was mostly dead hordes tiger
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is says hordes of tigers were killed by the lions, is that why the numbers were adjusted from 13:
to 5 tigers:
were those the 8 tigers killed by the lions as the head keeper said hordes of tigers were killed by lions? as is that the reason why jeongsangjo said the lion posco and identity are dangerous have to always use cars to break up them from attacking tigers? could be...as the head keeper said again here the lion is always the winner:
two representing the lion and tiger, feline 'Big Star' is a one-to-one who yigilkka glued to? The winner of this fight will be the same "king of beasts
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Look at the white tiger:
Look at everlands real live position, and look at the artifact of a white tiger being defeated a hundred years prior:
Quite the same eh? Hence all the 100s of artifacts of lions defeating tigers are genuine and true events as well.
The siberian which was killed by the lion in yonhap jeonju.
This is because the tiger does not have a mane, which means even a dog can get the tigers neck
The height difference is substantial:
a side interview, jeong sangjo says lions strike harder:
If anyone can email everland and talk to jeongsangjo, I'm pretty sure they'll show countless of tigers were killed there even more. Again, people only comment on things when theres no refuting evidence, if there is a fully explained content by the head keepers that lions always kill the tigers there, then the videos would mean nothing, as they show almost nothing anyways, other than tigers constantly running, again, that souce is from the monthly chosun, a newspaper archive, not a phoney blog like the rest.
The main thing I think that would make the debate decisive, is...the accounts, historical artifacts, experts opinions...those three should solidly answer the question, added in with the lions mane consenses, and the lions striking ability...those to me now seem to hold alot of substance, since in to a counter-ject, hundreds of accounts of tigers with their throats ripped out along with every other predator as well shows how common it is, and with lions it being rare 10x fold...will highlight how durable it is, again, people only like to speak up on things when the data is small, Ive seen this every where, with regular debaters to even experts, but if the data is substantial, they dont challenge it, the only people who would, would have an agenda or bias. Thats basically all it is, is gathering the needed amount of info, counter-info and all-around info.If there is 100 sources and 100 counter sources for instance, if theirs 100 sources of experts who say the lions mane is for protection, and as a counter source, 100 photos of tigers with puncture wounds on their necks, then its solidified, this goes both ways with every catagorie, I think for the debate, once the data hits 100 for every catagorie, 100 for acounts, 100 for experts, 100 maned sources ect...then that should be a go on maybe publishing a book on the Lion vs tiger, as its a solid number and pretty much wont be beaten for some time.
The fact that the data is almost there, shows that it can be done...once a book of such is made, then it can be known world wide, at that point it doesnt need a trial of debate, as speculation would be out the door, and the facts like the accounts would be definitive to answer the long debated question of who would win 100/100 times, with the scarce accounts of tigers killing lions, it would probably be similar to beattys final take:
Beatty said he only lost one lion at 1951, plus the two a few years later, so thats 3, compared to the 53+ tigers killed by lions, with probably more records of them unknown yet, so again, close to 9 times out of ten, which would be the same with all the accounts compared...the others which state beatty lost 4 lions in his early career, were probably just exaggerations, as they always say, beatty told them, not indirectly quoteing beatty, same with alot of the tiger killing lion accounts, when ever they post it, they always add in, well...in india tigers wouldve always have won as its reported...where? Where is it reported, no where.
If you do continue on subject you should get in the older posters to help in, asad, bold, jeninfordragon, leofwin ect, that should speed up the accounts/info...just came in to say was gona take a break from the sub. Hope all the info helped. Laters